He cannot look anyone in the eye in these conferences and is clearly out of his depth.
The problem is that clubs do not like dealing with Levy when it comes to player recruitment. Any decent player can see that Spurs have no ambition and that football is not the main focus of the Board.
What manager in his right mind would come to Tottenham when he knows that Levy has not, over 24 years, backed any manager.
It is a staggering testimony to the expectation management by this club of its fan base that having shipped 6 goals at home the client reference numbers are scratching around for tit bits of positivity using the soundbites of “ we must be patient” “ The goals we scored were crafted” “ We may have lost but I was entertained” .The reality is that both Liverpool and THFC rank in the top 8 richest clubs in the world. However that is where the similarity ends. We should have persuaded Slot to join, we should have got Diaz. Both these individuals however want success and both decided Levy and ENIC were owners that would not provide that success. A few seasons back we beat Liverpool convincingly 4-1. Their owners decided that they had to invest for success. Our owners decided that football was not a priority. The results were there to see yesterday. We languish towards the bottom half of the league. Our form after the first ten matches when the fourth choice antipodean arrived has been relegation standard. No deflective narrative of “ I have only been here 18 months” … “ look at the injuries” …” I can see growth in this squad” can disguise the reality of where we are now after 23 years of ENIC and Levy ownership. It is a disgrace. It is inexcusable. Under no cloak of expectation management is it acceptable.
The problem with Ange is he has shown no sign of being willing, or able, to adapt or react to changing circumstances, either within a game, or according to the players available to him. It's a 'one size fits all' approach which over time, especially with limited squad resources, manifestly doesn't work.
Furthermore, as he has shown no disposition to change thus far, one must assume by now that he won't in the future. This inflexibility is further exacerbated by the fact that his system is very attritional on players physically, which under a miserly regime like Levy's, even further hampers the implementation and success of his tactical blueprint.
In summary he's out of his depth in the EPL and whereas, undoubtedly, he would do better with better players, he is under the wrong ownership for that to occur. He needs to go, but given Levy's staggering level of ineptitude and the faceless array of patsies beneath him, Mutt/Lange, etc, I have absolutely no confidence he will find the right manager to take the club forward.
When people ask him about shipping 13 goals in three home league games, his only response is to kind of chuckle at the stupidity of the question. None of this is good enough...
Carragher said on Sky that nobody has won anything playing this way. The key point about that statement is, that it's referring to at the level of football he played at. Not the poxy J League, Aussie Soccer or Scotland...
For those prepared to own up to looking at the Guardian, take a look at this. The noise of this type of comment / ridicule seems greater this year, or maybe I'm just wishfully exagerating...
Yes, I read it. Jonathan Liew, whilst tediously woke and endlessly sanctimonious, like most scribes in the Guarniad, occasionally writes a decent footballing article and to be fair this one makes some very valid points. It's hard to argue that we are a serious football club, because we haven't been since prime Poch. In fact we thrashed Liverpool 4-1 at Wembley in 2017 and at that point had finished above them in 8 out of the previous 10 seasons.
Since then Liverpool have been on an upward trajectory and we have been going in the opposite direction. This is entirely due to the respective ownership groups. Fenway Sports Group under John Henry, have been dedicated to building a winning team and ENIC under Levy, have been dedicated to making money. The ensuing results and on-field success of the two clubs absolutely reflect the priorities of their owners.
it's actually a very good and well written piece, completely sums it up;
'Tottenham are not serious about this. They win spectacularly, and then they lose spectacularly, and it doesn’t really matter because over the past couple of years they have engendered a culture in which progress is basically divorced from outcomes. League positions are of no consequence. Champions League qualification is not a target, because the entire success of this multibillion-pound operation is geared around whether a middle-aged Australian man feels his ideas have taken root this week or not.'
'And there is nothing inevitable about this. Tottenham and Liverpool may feel gulfs apart, but in reality they are the eighth- and seventh-richest clubs in the world, fishing in the same water. Tottenham could have had Arne Slot in 2023. Tottenham could have had Díaz in 2022. Tottenham could have assembled a proper backroom structure years ago, instead of leaving their fate in the hands of a spiralling succession of celebrity managers.
But none of this happened, and so what we get instead is salesmanship, the same pot of stasis relaunched in new, more addictive flavours. It’s all going to click soon. At least they didn’t do Arsenal a favour. Ange always wins a trophy in his second season. Europa League, you never know. If you don’t rate his methods, you’re probably racist against Australians. Mikey Moore is going to be one hell of a player. And best of all: only six more years until the year ends in a one again.' - perfect
I know you’re just reproducing some points in the article ES,but we couldn’t have got Slot at the time because he had already seen through the fraud that is Levy and wanted nothing to do with his “project”.And that started the process by which we ended up with choice no.4/5.It’s looking increasingly like Wyan for the second half of the season.
I think most of us predicted this eventual outcome almost as early as this time last year Eddie.
I'm just bored with Ange giving it all the Aussie bluster around his beliefs and "being the team we want to be", while shrugging off the league position and the amount of goals conceded as just being part of some kind of process. He hasn't got the skill set for this level, and never has had...
Even Levy who knows fuck all about football must realise the Aussie waster is damaging the brand with his nonsensical statements.He's just an unfunny irrelevence.
No not wishful thinking,the serious press are catching on too.There is increasingly nowhere to hide for Flange or Levy except that the bald midget will still be around when Postecoglou finally walks off with his P45.
Message to Ange ... I could be exceptionally patient with the media for 3 million quid a year, plus have the gumption to hire a specialist set-piece coach and at least have the commonsense to vary my tactics according to the opposition and the state of the game. Ange is out of his depth, as we all know, but it's not like he's in the deep end, he's only in the paddling pool!
Let's not forget that this man should never have been made head coach at a club of this size in the first place. This was yet another bungled experiment by an ownership that has been running the football operation into the ground over the last 25 years. Ange was another punt that simply hasn't worked and he needs to go
He's only there because Daniel didn't know who else to appoint and Scott Munn (I presume) recommended Ange. Doing well at Celtic has never been the criteria for a big job in the Premiership before and still isn't. Neither is zero experience in another top flight European league. He's been artificially elevated to this role out of desperation by the club's ownership. Which is ultimately why he's so desperately out of his depth.
The whole situation with Ange and the state of the squad, is an utter disgrace...
100% agree. ENIC FC. This guy keeps using the progress card like an AMEX card. Same old shit. This myth called 'Angeball' like it is a kind of new revolutionary you cant bend it it's hard a mustard football system is fake like this so called manager is. The back ground staff are also lower tier chaff. The reason why this bloke is still stinking the place out is because he's cheap. He has been found out. Entertainment is the new metric? Sure they will beat Forest, he's a lucky faker. It's got to a sad situation where my once held passion for this lot has all been sucked out of me by fraudsters parading as gods.
I think you're being very optimistic if you think we will beat Forest. The table tells it's own story, and Nuno would very happily turn up and rub Daniel's nose into the brown stuff. He wasn't much chop for us, but he's certainly getting the most out of his current job.
I can’t be arsed to listen to the Thick Cnut. Judging by the comments I don’t have to. He’s not spoiling my Xmas. On that note. I’d like to wish you and your loved ones a very Merry Christmas 🎄
THS Stalagluft N17 ..Control I’m here . The only voices heard will be those in favour of the club the team the Supreme Being Postecoglu and the Supreme being of Financial Flagellation ..any deviance and you will be ejected rejected struck off where does this end .
Der Fuhrer of THS….They're coming to take him away ho ho ha ha…Those clean white men in their clean white suits they’re coming to take him away. ..
This is nothing.....c'mon we all expected this, a defeat to the dippers. 1 - 0 or 6 - 3....... whatever. It's the series not the episodes we need to worry about!
4th placed Forest next up, then a resurgent Newcastle followed by the Arse......plus another episode with the bin dippers. The potential is more than there for a total meltdown.
That will sink Ange; after all that's what he's really there for - to take the fall.
I'd add one thing tho', Ange may well have asked for help on defense, set pieces etc. I can imagine a conversation where Levy tells Ange that the business model (his model) cannot support additional coaching and management costs and the he has to stay within the agreed budget.
It will come as no surprise if those next 3 leagues games yield nil points, and as someone commented on the Livestack, the cup rounds against the Scousers are just the 2nd and 3rd sets of the same event, the agregate score from all 3 sets will most likely be so embarrassing it spills over into the comical. We could be 12th or 13th at best and out of the cup within 3 weeks. Logic says a trigger should be pulled at that point, but this season more than most seems totally disconnected from logic.
“Liverpool were too good for too good for us today” he says to the BBC….no sh1t Sherlock!!! Where have you been all season??? They are very fecking dangerous, and going gung ho and leaving a makeshift defence exposed - guess what’s going to happen??? suicidal tactics!! This looks bad on Johan Lange too, because he should be saying to Levy, this guy is a disaster?? Actually Large should have piped-up after defeats to Palace and Ipswich…his exit is inevitable, just a matter of days surely??
Quadrophenia...lovely, in so many ways better than Tommy I think. My vinyl copy is sadly very worn, need to find a new pressing, CD is just not the same.
This deluded Antipodean version of King Canute is too much for me! "Listen mate, I commanded the tide of Liverpool attackers to stop rushing in waves (of attacks) over our defence, but they ignored me! Don't they know who I am? King Ange, king of the Angels!"
One almost has to admire the balls of someone that stubborn! So wedded to an ideal, that nothing, not even an opposing team unleashing the footballing equivalent of a nuclear holocaust, like Liverpool, is going to cause Angina to deflect from his principles.
However, we are not neutrals. 22 goals in our last 3 home games (9F vs 13A), may represent great entertainment value, but ultimately this 'Charge of the Light Brigade' style of football is hugely attritional on its protagonists. "C'est manifique mais ce n'est pas le football!"
So Angina is about to go the way of the dinosaurs. A large, Daniel Levy shaped, meteor, is about to create a Yucatan sized crater in Tottenham High Rd, an extinction event which will terminatedly consume our leather skinned Aussie bronchiasaurus and that will be that!
"Are you not entertained?" Well in truth, on occasion, we certainly have been, but ultimately it's about winning and we are now 11th in the table and in 'Levyworld' Levy never pays the price for his own ineptitude. There is always a patsy and now it is Ange's turn."
Flange knew that we would be playing two or three times a week at certain times this season. He knew that we struggled with injuries and squad rotation last season when we were playing just one game a week. He stated he was ok with the summer window. He knew we lacked depth.Its not about injuries its about his management of the squad and Levys lack of committment to the football business. He takes the wonga so he deserves the flack. He has just seen us ship six goals at HOME in a billion dollar stadium. It is becoming an embarrassment of a football club. The players feel it and so do the fans.
This guy is doomed. Kamikaze tactics.
He cannot look anyone in the eye in these conferences and is clearly out of his depth.
The problem is that clubs do not like dealing with Levy when it comes to player recruitment. Any decent player can see that Spurs have no ambition and that football is not the main focus of the Board.
What manager in his right mind would come to Tottenham when he knows that Levy has not, over 24 years, backed any manager.
Ange was the best Levy could get after many turned down the poisoned chalice. We are getting what Levy paid for.
Is Poch still unemployed? It wouldn't surprise me if The Bald One tries to get him back to appease the happy clappers.
Nope, he is the USA national team manager.
It is a staggering testimony to the expectation management by this club of its fan base that having shipped 6 goals at home the client reference numbers are scratching around for tit bits of positivity using the soundbites of “ we must be patient” “ The goals we scored were crafted” “ We may have lost but I was entertained” .The reality is that both Liverpool and THFC rank in the top 8 richest clubs in the world. However that is where the similarity ends. We should have persuaded Slot to join, we should have got Diaz. Both these individuals however want success and both decided Levy and ENIC were owners that would not provide that success. A few seasons back we beat Liverpool convincingly 4-1. Their owners decided that they had to invest for success. Our owners decided that football was not a priority. The results were there to see yesterday. We languish towards the bottom half of the league. Our form after the first ten matches when the fourth choice antipodean arrived has been relegation standard. No deflective narrative of “ I have only been here 18 months” … “ look at the injuries” …” I can see growth in this squad” can disguise the reality of where we are now after 23 years of ENIC and Levy ownership. It is a disgrace. It is inexcusable. Under no cloak of expectation management is it acceptable.
The problem with Ange is he has shown no sign of being willing, or able, to adapt or react to changing circumstances, either within a game, or according to the players available to him. It's a 'one size fits all' approach which over time, especially with limited squad resources, manifestly doesn't work.
Furthermore, as he has shown no disposition to change thus far, one must assume by now that he won't in the future. This inflexibility is further exacerbated by the fact that his system is very attritional on players physically, which under a miserly regime like Levy's, even further hampers the implementation and success of his tactical blueprint.
In summary he's out of his depth in the EPL and whereas, undoubtedly, he would do better with better players, he is under the wrong ownership for that to occur. He needs to go, but given Levy's staggering level of ineptitude and the faceless array of patsies beneath him, Mutt/Lange, etc, I have absolutely no confidence he will find the right manager to take the club forward.
When people ask him about shipping 13 goals in three home league games, his only response is to kind of chuckle at the stupidity of the question. None of this is good enough...
A perfectly valid question to which he has no answer.Are you not entertained?
Carragher said on Sky that nobody has won anything playing this way. The key point about that statement is, that it's referring to at the level of football he played at. Not the poxy J League, Aussie Soccer or Scotland...
For those prepared to own up to looking at the Guardian, take a look at this. The noise of this type of comment / ridicule seems greater this year, or maybe I'm just wishfully exagerating...
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/dec/22/ange-postecoglou-tottenham-liverpool-football-premier-league
Yes, I read it. Jonathan Liew, whilst tediously woke and endlessly sanctimonious, like most scribes in the Guarniad, occasionally writes a decent footballing article and to be fair this one makes some very valid points. It's hard to argue that we are a serious football club, because we haven't been since prime Poch. In fact we thrashed Liverpool 4-1 at Wembley in 2017 and at that point had finished above them in 8 out of the previous 10 seasons.
Since then Liverpool have been on an upward trajectory and we have been going in the opposite direction. This is entirely due to the respective ownership groups. Fenway Sports Group under John Henry, have been dedicated to building a winning team and ENIC under Levy, have been dedicated to making money. The ensuing results and on-field success of the two clubs absolutely reflect the priorities of their owners.
it's actually a very good and well written piece, completely sums it up;
'Tottenham are not serious about this. They win spectacularly, and then they lose spectacularly, and it doesn’t really matter because over the past couple of years they have engendered a culture in which progress is basically divorced from outcomes. League positions are of no consequence. Champions League qualification is not a target, because the entire success of this multibillion-pound operation is geared around whether a middle-aged Australian man feels his ideas have taken root this week or not.'
I like Jonathan Liews' take on sports, his articles are always entertaining and as you say this one perfectly sums up the world according to Levy.
'And there is nothing inevitable about this. Tottenham and Liverpool may feel gulfs apart, but in reality they are the eighth- and seventh-richest clubs in the world, fishing in the same water. Tottenham could have had Arne Slot in 2023. Tottenham could have had Díaz in 2022. Tottenham could have assembled a proper backroom structure years ago, instead of leaving their fate in the hands of a spiralling succession of celebrity managers.
But none of this happened, and so what we get instead is salesmanship, the same pot of stasis relaunched in new, more addictive flavours. It’s all going to click soon. At least they didn’t do Arsenal a favour. Ange always wins a trophy in his second season. Europa League, you never know. If you don’t rate his methods, you’re probably racist against Australians. Mikey Moore is going to be one hell of a player. And best of all: only six more years until the year ends in a one again.' - perfect
I know you’re just reproducing some points in the article ES,but we couldn’t have got Slot at the time because he had already seen through the fraud that is Levy and wanted nothing to do with his “project”.And that started the process by which we ended up with choice no.4/5.It’s looking increasingly like Wyan for the second half of the season.
I think most of us predicted this eventual outcome almost as early as this time last year Eddie.
I'm just bored with Ange giving it all the Aussie bluster around his beliefs and "being the team we want to be", while shrugging off the league position and the amount of goals conceded as just being part of some kind of process. He hasn't got the skill set for this level, and never has had...
Even Levy who knows fuck all about football must realise the Aussie waster is damaging the brand with his nonsensical statements.He's just an unfunny irrelevence.
No not wishful thinking,the serious press are catching on too.There is increasingly nowhere to hide for Flange or Levy except that the bald midget will still be around when Postecoglou finally walks off with his P45.
Lottery winner...
Message to Ange ... I could be exceptionally patient with the media for 3 million quid a year, plus have the gumption to hire a specialist set-piece coach and at least have the commonsense to vary my tactics according to the opposition and the state of the game. Ange is out of his depth, as we all know, but it's not like he's in the deep end, he's only in the paddling pool!
Let's not forget that this man should never have been made head coach at a club of this size in the first place. This was yet another bungled experiment by an ownership that has been running the football operation into the ground over the last 25 years. Ange was another punt that simply hasn't worked and he needs to go
He's only there because Daniel didn't know who else to appoint and Scott Munn (I presume) recommended Ange. Doing well at Celtic has never been the criteria for a big job in the Premiership before and still isn't. Neither is zero experience in another top flight European league. He's been artificially elevated to this role out of desperation by the club's ownership. Which is ultimately why he's so desperately out of his depth.
The whole situation with Ange and the state of the squad, is an utter disgrace...
100% agree. ENIC FC. This guy keeps using the progress card like an AMEX card. Same old shit. This myth called 'Angeball' like it is a kind of new revolutionary you cant bend it it's hard a mustard football system is fake like this so called manager is. The back ground staff are also lower tier chaff. The reason why this bloke is still stinking the place out is because he's cheap. He has been found out. Entertainment is the new metric? Sure they will beat Forest, he's a lucky faker. It's got to a sad situation where my once held passion for this lot has all been sucked out of me by fraudsters parading as gods.
I think you're being very optimistic if you think we will beat Forest. The table tells it's own story, and Nuno would very happily turn up and rub Daniel's nose into the brown stuff. He wasn't much chop for us, but he's certainly getting the most out of his current job.
Ange is one of the most bizarre top flight managerial appointments I can think of. It's a fucking joke, the whole thing...
I can’t be arsed to listen to the Thick Cnut. Judging by the comments I don’t have to. He’s not spoiling my Xmas. On that note. I’d like to wish you and your loved ones a very Merry Christmas 🎄
Cheers JG and the same to you and yours.
THS Stalagluft N17 ..Control I’m here . The only voices heard will be those in favour of the club the team the Supreme Being Postecoglu and the Supreme being of Financial Flagellation ..any deviance and you will be ejected rejected struck off where does this end .
Der Fuhrer of THS….They're coming to take him away ho ho ha ha…Those clean white men in their clean white suits they’re coming to take him away. ..
This is nothing.....c'mon we all expected this, a defeat to the dippers. 1 - 0 or 6 - 3....... whatever. It's the series not the episodes we need to worry about!
4th placed Forest next up, then a resurgent Newcastle followed by the Arse......plus another episode with the bin dippers. The potential is more than there for a total meltdown.
That will sink Ange; after all that's what he's really there for - to take the fall.
I'd add one thing tho', Ange may well have asked for help on defense, set pieces etc. I can imagine a conversation where Levy tells Ange that the business model (his model) cannot support additional coaching and management costs and the he has to stay within the agreed budget.
Thanks to NDAs we'll never know.
It will come as no surprise if those next 3 leagues games yield nil points, and as someone commented on the Livestack, the cup rounds against the Scousers are just the 2nd and 3rd sets of the same event, the agregate score from all 3 sets will most likely be so embarrassing it spills over into the comical. We could be 12th or 13th at best and out of the cup within 3 weeks. Logic says a trigger should be pulled at that point, but this season more than most seems totally disconnected from logic.
Ange's appointment as manager was also totally disconnected from logic...
“Liverpool were too good for too good for us today” he says to the BBC….no sh1t Sherlock!!! Where have you been all season??? They are very fecking dangerous, and going gung ho and leaving a makeshift defence exposed - guess what’s going to happen??? suicidal tactics!! This looks bad on Johan Lange too, because he should be saying to Levy, this guy is a disaster?? Actually Large should have piped-up after defeats to Palace and Ipswich…his exit is inevitable, just a matter of days surely??
Quadraphenia is on . While this mug tries to ascribe his beliefs into a Liverpool squad which has seamlessly changed coach carried on and improved …
Topside ..Sunday lunch ..yum yum.
Thanks Billy, you made me look. Just bought a new $200 half speed double vinyl copy. Merry Christmas...bloody internet.
Quadrophenia...lovely, in so many ways better than Tommy I think. My vinyl copy is sadly very worn, need to find a new pressing, CD is just not the same.
Can you see, can you see the real me?
Levy yes man ..I lost interest when he started backing up the money creep.
This deluded Antipodean version of King Canute is too much for me! "Listen mate, I commanded the tide of Liverpool attackers to stop rushing in waves (of attacks) over our defence, but they ignored me! Don't they know who I am? King Ange, king of the Angels!"
One almost has to admire the balls of someone that stubborn! So wedded to an ideal, that nothing, not even an opposing team unleashing the footballing equivalent of a nuclear holocaust, like Liverpool, is going to cause Angina to deflect from his principles.
However, we are not neutrals. 22 goals in our last 3 home games (9F vs 13A), may represent great entertainment value, but ultimately this 'Charge of the Light Brigade' style of football is hugely attritional on its protagonists. "C'est manifique mais ce n'est pas le football!"
So Angina is about to go the way of the dinosaurs. A large, Daniel Levy shaped, meteor, is about to create a Yucatan sized crater in Tottenham High Rd, an extinction event which will terminatedly consume our leather skinned Aussie bronchiasaurus and that will be that!
"Are you not entertained?" Well in truth, on occasion, we certainly have been, but ultimately it's about winning and we are now 11th in the table and in 'Levyworld' Levy never pays the price for his own ineptitude. There is always a patsy and now it is Ange's turn."
In response to 'Are you not entertained' I'm not.
Well written Coys1882
Thanks RS.
Flange knew that we would be playing two or three times a week at certain times this season. He knew that we struggled with injuries and squad rotation last season when we were playing just one game a week. He stated he was ok with the summer window. He knew we lacked depth.Its not about injuries its about his management of the squad and Levys lack of committment to the football business. He takes the wonga so he deserves the flack. He has just seen us ship six goals at HOME in a billion dollar stadium. It is becoming an embarrassment of a football club. The players feel it and so do the fans.
So completely out of his depth it's untrue...
Hummmmhaaa hummmm ha yeah and a little squiggle there ..can you see it yet ..
Where’s the wobble board
"can you guess what it is yet?" No Ange, nobody can work out what he fuck it is you're trying to do...